Tuesday, August 19, 2025

Mandukya K2.16 Medley

Gauḍapāda says that first of all, the imagination of separative individual Self, jīvātma bhāvanā, is rendered upon the Ᾱtman. (Ātmā, with the help of māyā-śakti projects the waking world.~P) This egocentric idea is born with the concept of the separateness, when the mind rose up and the awareness was reflected on the mental pool of its own thought flow. ~C

Even though we cannot talk about the order of the appearance of the experiencer and the experienced, for our understanding we talk about an order. In that order, first the experiencer jīva is created according to the karma of the jīva and thereafter the experienced world is created based on the karma of the jīva only. The world does not have puṇya-pāpam because it is inert. ~P

How can projection be a series? It isn’t a series, but breaking it down into stages makes it easier for a Self-ignorant person to understand the nature of mithya. Liberation is complete knowledge of satya and mithya. If you don’t understand the relationship between your sentient jiva and its thoughts and feelings, which after all are just material objects, how can you free yourself from attachment to them? ~S

From this basic sense of individuality, arises the entire projection of falsity into this world. This is denoted here by “he imagines different objects”, where the key word is not ‘objects’ but ‘different’. Difference denotes Duality, which is a departure from Non-duality, the state of the Pure Self. We can say, the Ego gives birth to Duality, because Duality is really not there in a world where Ego is not present. ~S/G

This delusion creates a multiple hierarchy of delusions, each thickening the veil and taking us farther and farther away from our real nature and in the ultimate analysis of it all, the egocentric deluded entity in us looks out, into a self-made world through the mind and the sense organs, to cognise in its own dream world a panorama of names and forms arranged and paraded to order. ~C

First comes the knowledge of the idea of cause and next the knowledge of the idea of effect. Then follows the memory of both cause and effect. This memory is followed by a corresponding knowledge which results in the various states of knowledge characterized by action, actor, and effect. These are followed by their memory, which, in turn, is followed by other states of knowledge. In this way are imagined various entities, internal and external. ~S(N)


~text from quotes of Chinmayananda, Paramarthananda, Swartz, Sandeepany/Gurubhaktananda, Shankara (tr-Nikhilananda) see MK2.16 [&17,18]: Translations & Commentaries) for each quote's context







Monday, August 18, 2025

MK2.16 (&17,18): Translations & Commentaries

jīvaṁ kalpayate pūrvaṁ tato bhāvān pṛthag-vidhān, // bāhyān-ādhyātmikāṁś-caiva yathā-vidyas-tathā-smṛtiḥ. (16)

जीवम् – the jīva, the individual; कल्पयते – (the Self) projects, imagines; पूर्वम् – first; ततः – thereafter; भावान् – objects; पृथक्-विधान् – various entities; // बाह्यान् – external, objective; आध्यात्मिकान् – subjective, personal; च एव – and also; यथा – as is; विद्यः – the knowledge; तथा – so is; स्मृतिः – the memory

16. First of all the egocentric attitude (jīva bhāvanā) is projected and thereafter follow imaginations of the various entities both objective and subjective. As is the knowledge, so is the memory of it. (tr-Chinmayananda)

Like the fancying of a snake in a rope, He purvam kalpayate, first imagines; jivam, the individual-who is a bundle of causes and effects expressing themselves through such beliefs as, ‘I act; and mine are the (resulting) sorrows and happiness’ - on the pure Self that is devoid of such characteristics.   After that, for his sake, He (the Lord) imagines different objects, such as the vital force and so on, bahyan adhyatmikan ca eva, both external and mental, dividing them into action, instruments, and results.   As to that, what is the reason for that imagination? That is being stated. The individual that is imagined by (the Lord) Himself and is himself capable of imagination, gets a memory, yathavidyah, in accordance with the kind of thought-impressions that he is possessed of; that fact is alluded to by tathasmrtih, he is possessed of that kind of memory.    ~Shankara (tr-Gambhirananda)

First comes the knowledge of the idea of cause and next the knowledge of the idea of effect. Then follows the memory of both cause and effect. This memory is followed by a corresponding knowledge which results in the various states of knowledge characterized by action, actor, and effect. These are followed by their memory, which, in turn, is followed by other states of knowledge. In this way are imagined various entities, internal and external, which are perceived and are related to one another as cause and effect. ~Shankara (tr-Nikhilananda)

Ātmā, with the help of māyā-śakti projects the waking world. The entire created world should include the experiencer jīva and the experienced objects. One is sentient and the other is insentient. Even though we cannot talk about the order of the appearance of the experiencer and the experienced, for our understanding we talk about an order. In that order, first the experiencer jīva is created according to the karma of the jīva and thereafter the experienced world is created based on the karma of the jīva only. The world does not have puṇya-pāpam because it is inert. …The whole drama starts. The only solution is to raise oneself from Viśva, Taijasa and Prājña to Turīyam.   ~Paramarthananda

Gauḍapāda says that first of all, the imagination of separative individual Self, jīvātma bhāvanā, is rendered upon the Ᾱtman. This egocentric idea is born with the concept of the separateness, when the mind rose up and the awareness was reflected on the mental pool of its own thought flow; and the egocentric entity, seemingly real, changes its attitude, character, nature and behaviour according to the reflecting medium, namely, the mental condition. This ego (jīva), which is the reflection of Reality on the mental lake, is the one which is the enjoyer and the doer, who is the sufferer and the liberated, who is the seeker and siddha. // Once this projection of the egocentric concept is posited upon the Ᾱtman, this delusion creates a multiple hierarchy of delusions, each thickening the veil and taking us farther and farther away from our real nature and in the ultimate analysis of it all, the egocentric deluded entity in us looks out, into a self-made world through the mind and the sense organs, to cognise in its own dream world a panorama of names and forms arranged and paraded to order. These are as decided by the previous mental impressions in the individuals! This idea is very subtly indicated when Gauḍapāda says very crisply, ‘as the knowledge, so is the memory of it’. ~Chinmayananda

The “I” sense in itself is not a product of ignorance. In its pure state, this “I” is actually our true Self. However, when it begins to relate to and identify itself with the limited body and mind, it becomes a puny imitation – a caricature of the splendour that is our real Self. // From this basic sense of individuality, arises the entire projection of falsity into this world. This is denoted here by “he imagines different objects”, where the key word is not ‘objects’ but ‘different’. Difference denotes Duality, which is a departure from Non-duality, the state of the Pure Self. We can say, the Ego gives birth to Duality, because Duality is really not there in a world where Ego is not present. Duality lies only in the Ego’s perception of the world! ~Sandeepany (Gurubhaktananda)

How can projection be a series? It isn’t a series, but breaking it down into stages makes it easier for a Self-ignorant person to understand the nature of mithya. Liberation is complete knowledge of satya and mithya. If you don’t understand the relationship between your sentient jiva and its thoughts and feelings, which after all are just material objects, how can you free yourself from attachment to them? ~Swartz


aniścitā yathā rajjur-andhakāre vikalpitā, sarpa-dhārādibhir-bhāvais-tadvad-ātmā vikalpitaḥ. (17)

17. As the rope whose real nature, when not known, is imagined in the dark to be a snake, a water line and so on, so also the Ᾱtman is imagined in various ways.   ~Tr- Chinmayananda

To say the Self is not clearly known implies that it is also vaguely known. If the Self is not known, Vedanta won’t set you free, because Vedanta is a means of knowledge, not a belief system. A means of knowledge removes vagueness about something, in this case your identity.   ~Swartz


Niścitāyāṃ yathā rajjvāṃ vikalpo vinivartate । rajjureveti cādvaitaṃ tadvadātmaviniścayaḥ ॥ 18॥

When the rope is clearly known as “(this is) rope only”, (every) misperception goes away and the nondual (rope remains.) The knowledge of Ātmā (is also) like that. (verse 18).  ~Tr. Paramarthananda





MK2.16 Medley

Gauḍapāda says that first of all, the imagination of separative individual Self, jīvātma bhāvanā, is rendered upon the Ᾱtman. (Ātmā, with the help of māyā-śakti projects the waking world.~P) This egocentric idea is born with the concept of the separateness, when the mind rose up and the awareness was reflected on the mental pool of its own thought flow. ~C

Even though we cannot talk about the order of the appearance of the experiencer and the experienced, for our understanding we talk about an order. In that order, first the experiencer jīva is created according to the karma of the jīva and thereafter the experienced world is created based on the karma of the jīva only. The world does not have puṇya-pāpam because it is inert. ~P

How can projection be a series? It isn’t a series, but breaking it down into stages makes it easier for a Self-ignorant person to understand the nature of mithya. Liberation is complete knowledge of satya and mithya. If you don’t understand the relationship between your sentient jiva and its thoughts and feelings, which after all are just material objects, how can you free yourself from attachment to them? ~S

From this basic sense of individuality, arises the entire projection of falsity into this world. This is denoted here by “he imagines different objects”, where the key word is not ‘objects’ but ‘different’. Difference denotes Duality, which is a departure from Non-duality, the state of the Pure Self. We can say, the Ego gives birth to Duality, because Duality is really not there in a world where Ego is not present. ~S/G

This delusion creates a multiple hierarchy of delusions, each thickening the veil and taking us farther and farther away from our real nature and in the ultimate analysis of it all, the egocentric deluded entity in us looks out, into a self-made world through the mind and the sense organs, to cognise in its own dream world a panorama of names and forms arranged and paraded to order. ~C

First comes the knowledge of the idea of cause and next the knowledge of the idea of effect. Then follows the memory of both cause and effect. This memory is followed by a corresponding knowledge which results in the various states of knowledge characterized by action, actor, and effect. These are followed by their memory, which, in turn, is followed by other states of knowledge. In this way are imagined various entities, internal and external. ~S(N)



TOC Karika 2 Vaitathya Prakarana (from Chinmaya Sandeepany)

Vaitathya Prakarana

Section 2.1: THE UNREALITY OF DREAMS

Verse 2.1: Dreams are an Unreality – Reasons 1 & 2

Verse 2.2: Dreams are an Unreality – Reasons 3 & 4

Verse 2.3: Dreams are an Unreality – Reason “5”

Section 2.2: WAKING & DREAM COMPARED

Verse 2.4: Objects are Perceived in Both States

Verse 2.5: Two Similarities of Waking and Dream States

Verse 2.6: The Unreality of the Waking State

Verse 2.7: Utility is No Proof of Reality

Verse 2.8: Predictability is No Proof of Reality

Verse 2.9: The “Inner & Outer Consciousness” Within Dream

Verse 2.10: The “Inner & Outer Consciousness” Within Waking

Verse 2.11: Who is Their Cognizer and Support?

Section 2.3: THE ROLE OF IMAGINATION

Verse 2.12: The Imaginer – One’s Own Self!

Verse 2.13: How Does Self “Imagine Itself”?

Verse 2.14: “The Time Frames are Different”

Verse 2.15: “The Appearance is Totally Different”

Verse 2.16: The Primary Error – Egocentricity

Verse 2.17: An Analogy for Egocentric Projections

Verse 2.18: Knowledge Removes the Error

Verse 2.19 Ignorance Multiplies the Error

Section 2.4: KNOWLEDGE & BELIEF SYSTEMS

Verse 2.20: Systems 1-4

Verse 2.21: Systems 5-8

Verse 2.22: Systems 9-12

Verse 2.23: Systems 13-16

Verse 2.24: Systems 17-20

Verse 2.25: Systems 21-24

Verse 2.26: Systems 25-28

Verse 2.27: Systems 29-32

Verse 2.28: Systems 33-35

Verse 2.29: How “Belief Systems” take Root

Verse 2.30: Knowledge Unites, Imagination Divides

Verse 2.31: Multiplicity is Unreal

Section 2.5: NON-DUALITY – THE ULTIMATE BELIEF

Verse 2.32: The Benchmark of Non-duality

Verse 2.33: The “Benchmark”of Duality

Verse 2.34: The Non-dual Vision of the World

Verse 2.35: The Realisation of Non-Duality

Verse 2.36: Being Devoted to Non-Duality

Verse 2.37: The Saint & Society

Verse 2.38: The Non-dual Ideal in Practice



Saturday, August 16, 2025

Arriving at Mahavakya

Negative capability is real power. Like effortless nondoing.

Let self-remembering be the front line of your mind control.

The Big Bang is an appearance in Supreme Silence.

Mithya appears in satcitananda. Ayam atma brahma.





Note to Self

Dreams are manufactured in the mind by the power of sleep. Me and god appear in consciousness by the power of maya.

When the mind forgets, memory remembers. Consciousness is timeless. Maya is only beginningless.

Duality isn’t. Nonduality is. There is no me but everything is myself.





Talks on Mandukya K2.12: atmanatmanam-atma

As the dream state is projected from the mind by its own power of sleep, the waking state is projected from consciousness, in consciousness, and by consciousness through the power of its maya.

The dream begins as the mind forgets itself. The universe begins as the nondual Self has no need to know a thing (there is no other). In order to know itself, maya happens. God, beings, and the universe, oh my!

The projection of the Self is not duality. A movie doesn’t trouble the movie screen. In this way, the Self is just a witness. And the self-realized one knows all is in and of the Self. This is Vedanta, Gaudapada says.





Friday, August 15, 2025

Mandukya K2:12 Medley

Generally the theory of Māṇḍūkya-upaniṣad or the thesis developed in the Kārikā is that the seemingly created world is a mere delusion, unreal and illusory in all the three periods of time.

Gauḍapāda has condescended to descend to our level of perception and recognising therein a pluralistic world, has explained to us how it must have risen up from our own delusions.

The answer is whoever is projecting the dream world is the same one that projects the waking world also. The dreamer does not need anything else external to himself other than nidrā-śakti for projecting the dream world.

The dreamer starts his career the moment he forgets himself. This capacity to forget himself and to project outward into a world of experienced objects is not a faculty that has reached him from anywhere else but it is an inherent capacity.

Therefore, ātmā alone projects out of itself the waking world with the help of ātmā itself. Other than māyā-śakti, ātmā does not need anything else for this projection. Where does māyā come from? Gauḍapāda says that it is already there in ātmā similar to the nidrā-śakti.

It is like the imagining of a snake in a rope. It is the Self that imagines both the snake and its perceiver. This Self is the substratum of both knowledge and memory. Therefore the conclusion of Vedanta is quite unlike the view of certain nihilists.

Vedanta is not solipsism. The individual ego does not create the universe. Both come into existence together. The jiva, Isvara, and the world, all conjured up by maya, last as long as maya lasts.

The projection does not amount to duality, because it has no effect on the Self, just as a movie has no impact on the screen. So we say that the Self is an experienceless experiencer, or a non-experiencing witness. 

When the Self-realized Self experiences objects, it knows that the objects are a projection and that the projection depends on it, so it knows that it is only ever experiencing itself, with or without the presence of objects.

Finally, Gaudapada says "this is the conclusion of Vedanta,” meaning it is not his conclusion, although he has fully assimilated Vedanta’s conclusion.


~text from quotes of Chinmayananda, Nikhilananda, Paramarthananda, Swartz (see The Famous MK2.12: Some Translations & Commentaries for each quote's context)





The Famous MK2.12: Some Translations & Commentaries

"This stanza is very famous in our literature and is, therefore, often quoted by authors, orators and philosophers."

kalpayaty-ātmanātmānam-ātmā devaḥ sva-māyayā, sa eva budhyate bhedān-iti vedānta-niścayaḥ. (12)

कल्पयति – imagines, projects; आत्मना – by itself; आत्मानम् – Self in itself; देवः आत्मा – the self-effulgent Self; स्वमायया – through its own delusion (māyā); सः – that (Self); एव – also; बुध्यते – experiences; भेदान् – the objects; इति – thus; वेदान्त-निश्चयः – definite conclusion of Vedānta

12. This is the definite conclusion of the philosophy of Vedānta that the Ᾱtman, the self-luminous, through the power of its own delusion (māyā) imagines in Itself by Itself all the objects, and Its individual experiences both in the world outside and within. It alone is the knower of the objects so created.

Here, In this stanza, for the first time, Gauḍapāda has come down to provide us with at least an explanation for the pluralistic world that we cognise in our waking state. Generally the theory of Māṇḍūkya-upaniṣad or the thesis developed in the Kārikā is that the seemingly created world is a mere delusion, unreal and illusory in all the three periods of time. But at rare moments, even Gauḍapāda has condescended to descend to our level of perception and recognising therein a pluralistic world, has explained to us how it must have risen up from our own delusions.

Translations & commentary: Chinmayananda


12. The self-effulgent Self imagines Itself through Itself by the power of Its own Māyā. The Self Itself cognises the objects. Such is the definite conclusion of Vedānta.

Svamayaya, through Its own Maya; devaḥ ātmā, the self-effulgent Self, Itself; kalpayati, imagines; Its own ātmānam, self; in the Self; as possessed of different forms to be spoken of later, just as snakes etc. are imagined on rope etc. And in the very same way It Itself budhyate, cognises; those bhedan, objects; iti, such; is vedantaniścayaḥ, the definite conclusion of Vedānta. There is nothing else (but the Self) as the support of cognition and memory; nor are cognition and memory without support as is held by the Nihilists. This is the idea.

~Gaudapada with Shankara’s commentary (tr-Gambhirananda)


The self-luminous Atman, by Its own maya, conjures up the imagination of the different objects seen to exist outside in the relative world, and also their cognizer, the individual self. It is like the imagining of a snake in a rope. It Is the Self that imagines both the snake and its perceiver. This Self is the substratum of both knowledge and memory. Therefore the conclusion of Vedanta is quite unlike the view of certain Buddhist nihilists. Again, Vedanta is not solipsism. The individual ego does not create the universe. Both come into existence together. The one cannot be conceived of without the other. Both the ego and the non-ego appear out of the mind of Isvara when the Knowledge of Reality is veiled by ignorance. The jiva, Isvara, and the world, all conjured up by maya, last as long as maya lasts.

~Nikhilananda


The answer is whoever is projecting the dream world is the same one that projects the waking world also. Therefore, ātmā alone projects out of itself the waking world with the help of ātmā itself. Other than māyā-śakti, ātmā does not need anything else for this projection. The dreamer does not need anything else external to himself other than nidrā-śakti for projecting the dream world. In the same way, ātmā does not require anything other than māyā-śakti to project this world. Where does māyā come from? Gauḍapāda says that it is already there in ātmā similar to the nidrā-śakti.

~Paramarthananda


The projection does not amount to duality, because it has no effect on the Self, just as a movie has no impact on the screen. The Self is subtler than Maya, “subtler than the subtlest,” the scripture says. Finally, he [Gaudapada] says “…this is the conclusion of Vedanta,” meaning it is not his conclusion, although he has fully assimilated Vedanta’s conclusion. Because the Self is not an object of experience and words only refer to objects, we are forced to use words with reference to the Self, which need to be contextualized to be understandable. So we say that the Self is an experienceless experiencer, or a non-experiencing witness. The simple logic is: (1) there is only the Self, (2) experience exists, (3) so the only experiencer is the Self. When Maya is operating, it seems as if the Self is modified, but it is unaffected by what it experiences, just as a video camera is unaffected by events it records.

~Swartz



MK2.12 Medley

Generally the theory of Māṇḍūkya-upaniṣad or the thesis developed in the Kārikā is that the seemingly created world is a mere delusion, unreal and illusory in all the three periods of time. ~C

Gauḍapāda has condescended to descend to our level of perception and recognising therein a pluralistic world, has explained to us how it must have risen up from our own delusions. ~C

The answer is whoever is projecting the dream world is the same one that projects the waking world also. The dreamer does not need anything else external to himself other than nidrā-śakti for projecting the dream world. ~P

The dreamer starts his career the moment he forgets himself. This capacity to forget himself and to project outward into a world of experienced objects is not a faculty that has reached him from anywhere else but it is an inherent capacity. ~C

Therefore, ātmā alone projects out of itself the waking world with the help of ātmā itself. Other than māyā-śakti, ātmā does not need anything else for this projection. Where does māyā come from? Gauḍapāda says that it is already there in ātmā similar to the nidrā-śakti. ~P

It is like the imagining of a snake in a rope. It is the Self that imagines both the snake and its perceiver. This Self is the substratum of both knowledge and memory. Therefore the conclusion of Vedanta is quite unlike the view of certain nihilists. ~N

Vedanta is not solipsism. The individual ego does not create the universe. Both come into existence together. The jiva, Isvara, and the world, all conjured up by maya, last as long as maya lasts. ~N

The projection does not amount to duality, because it has no effect on the Self, just as a movie has no impact on the screen. So we say that the Self is an experienceless experiencer, or a non-experiencing witness. ~S

When the Self-realized Self experiences objects, it knows that the objects are a projection and that the projection depends on it, so it knows that it is only ever experiencing itself, with or without the presence of objects. ~S

Finally, Gaudapada says "this is the conclusion of Vedanta,” meaning it is not his conclusion, although he has fully assimilated Vedanta’s conclusion. ~S








Tuesday, August 12, 2025

Sacred Crossing

1. the current dream

The waking state is just the current dream. Between each dream is a deep sleep.

Every dream thinks it's the current dream within parameters of its dreaming.

All dreams appear in turiya. Before realization, maya. After realization, maya. Chop wood, carry water.

2. follow the consciousness

A dream is an appearance in the mind. The mind is an appearance in consciousness. 

Consciousness is beyond the mind. Thinking otherwise is the definition of infinite regression.

Reflected consciousness consists of space, time, and consciousness. Follow the consciousness.

3. a most sacred math

Consciousness is the middle name of satcitananda. Existence, consciousness, and bliss are nondual.

Ignorance is the key to samsara. All keys are double-edged swords, my brothers and sisters.

I Minus Avidya Is That Minus Maya. This is a most sacred math. Use with caution.






Talks on Mandukya K2.1-6: Dreaming Up a Waking State

In the first chapter of his Karika, Gaudapada reduces the Mandukya’s three states of reflected consciousness into two: sleeping and dreaming. All three states are asleep, and waking is dreaming too. In the beginning of his next Prakarana on unreality, he quickly explains the logic of such a conflation.

First, and most obvious, he lists the reasons why dreams aren’t real, for the sake of pure argument. From the point of view of our waking state in this space-time continuum, there’s not enough of either in the body-mind for elephants and trips around the world. Also sruti says so.

Next, Gaudapada blows our collective minds. Because things are experienced in the waking state as things are experienced in a dream state, the act of experience is not a confirmation of some waking objective reality, as most assume, but proof that the waking state is just another state of dreaming.

Just as the dream world is in and of the mind, the waking world is in and of consciousness. Impermanence too. Just as the individual in the dream is dependent on the body-mind for its existence, the individual mind is dependent on consciousness for its reality. Consciousness is independent existence.